So two kids, 10 and 15, rob a woman, shoot her several times and then shoot her baby point blank in the face.
If there was EVER an argument for people needing to defend themselves, this would be one of them.
“”I feel glad that justice will be served,” West said.”
There can be no real justice for a tragedy like this. Nothing anyone can do can alleviate the harm done. That’s the problem with the whole approach of letting the system handle crime after it happens, rather than people defending themselves.
Another tragic example of a shooting that seems to meet the legal standards for self-defense, yet begs the question
if it was necessary. As is most often the case, we will never know the mind of the shooter at the time of the incident, and that is the key factor.
Sixteen year old boy climbs in wrong window after sneaking out Vs. man confronts unknown intruder in his home late at night. Each of the two parties involved have their own reality, and the sad reality is that this is the way these things too often occur.
Sadly, this is not the lowest humans will go. Any right thinking person will be upset by this article.
This is another sad reminder of why we teach that awareness and avoidance are self-defense.
This poor guy had no idea he was about to be attacked. The mindset of “the gun is self defense” completely neglects reality. Since the beginning we have taught that if the gun is not in your hand when the trouble starts, you will never get to it in time. While a firearm can be useful, knowing you are being attacked is considerably more important.
Several interesting bits in here.
1: Big. Brass. Balls.
2: Anti weapon law on campus worked about as one would expect. Bad guys ignore laws. “He had smuggled the compound bow — a type much more powerful and effective for hunting than a simple, wooden bow — onto campus beneath a blanket, Walsh said.”
3: Also an example of whats totally wrong with people “Neighbor Heather Meier said she came home from work Friday afternoon after picking up her 7-year-old daughter from school, and the two saw Arnold’s body still lying in the street.
“As soon as we got home, we just shut the curtains,” she said Saturday. “You know, tried to just watch some TV, have some snacks, mind our own business.”
I was listening to the scanners the night this happened.. Terrible thing.
It now looks as if the suspect has a history of domestic violence, and it would appear from the linked article that the courts pled it down to disorderly conduct. As with many of these things, we will not know very much for quite a while.
IF the suspect is the guilty party, as is so often the case, there were warning signs and incidents where the system could have prevented this unnecessary tragedy.
This is a situation that would never had happened if the clerk had used a little common sense and left the door locked, and calling the police if necessary. If this were to happen in MN my belief is that it would not be considered self-defense, as the shooter was not a reluctant participant.
A disturbing object lesson in risk management. This boy does not seem to have had anything to do with gangs, drugs, guns, or the like. However, being in the wrong place at the wrong time and looking similar to someone else seems to be enough to end his life.
While the story uses the usual anti-gun visual of “opened fire into a crowd of people”, note the story also says that this boy was the only person shot. This was a targeted killing without question.
A sad and tragic event, and one that I am afraid will continue to be repeated until we take back control of our cities from the thugs (street and government alike) that control them.
So a man gets robbed, and the robbers get his cell phone. But he got the robber’s gun. Nice trade.
While we do teach weapon disarms in some of our courses through Force Management Academy, keep in mind that even those who train to do this consider a high risk move. Of course if someone has a gun pointed at you, the risks are already pretty high.
If someone cuts you off in traffic, it’s really not that big a deal. Until you make it one.
I doubt the woman in this story had any idea that her response would cause her near death, so let this be an object lesson to everyone else. If you are driving, and some moron cuts you off, or whatever, ignore it. If that is not enough, for Pete’s sake, don’t pull into a dead end or a parking lot, and whatever you do DO NOT GET OUT OF THE CAR.
Call 911 on your cell phone if you have one, drive to the nearest police station, or find some other means of seeking help.